{"id":10379,"date":"2020-05-06T09:13:00","date_gmt":"2020-05-06T13:13:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/einvestingforbeginners.com\/?p=10379"},"modified":"2022-06-01T15:46:21","modified_gmt":"2022-06-01T19:46:21","slug":"long-vs-short-ashul","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/einvestingforbeginners.com\/long-vs-short-ashul\/","title":{"rendered":"What is the Ideal Investing Timeframe? Long vs Short!"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Coming out of the right corner, we have the newcomer, the up\nand coming, short-term investments, all set to face the current heavyweight\nchampion of the world, long-term investments! \nThis is going to be an epic battle for the ages, so who is going to win\n\u2013 long vs short!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Everyone knows that investing for the long-term is the best\nplan, right?  If you\u2019ve even thought\nabout investing, then you know that investing for the long-term is the most\nideal timeframe for you to invest because anything shorter than a few years is\njust considered trading and not investing. \nI mean, come on, even Warren Buffett says that you need to be focused on\nthe long-term: <\/p>\n\n\n\n

“If you\naren’t willing to own a stock for ten years, don’t even think about owning it\nfor ten minutes.”<\/em> \u2013 Warren Buffett<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I read a really good article\u00a0from The Balance<\/a> talking about if long or short-term investments are better, and talking about all of the different aspects at play for each person, so I highly recommend checking that out, but I am here to talk about the numbers ONLY!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In full transparency, I have run all of the analysis but\nhaven\u2019t looked at any of the results, so I still think that long-term investing\nis absolutely better, but I am trying to go into this with an open mind.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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One thing that I am really good at doing in my personal life\n(maybe even too good if you ask my wife), is playing devil\u2019s advocate and challenging\nthe status quo.  I am really good at\ndoing this in my professional life as well but for some reason it\u2019s taking some\ntime to get there with investing.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Relistening to the interview with Tobias Carlisle<\/a> on the Investing for Beginners Podcast, I keep getting more and more motivated to challenge the status quo and really think outside the box.\u00a0 Just challenge the consensus and see how things look.\u00a0 So, this is what I am doing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Everyone says that investing for the long-term is better,\nand they say it\u2019s like significantly better, so let\u2019s see just how much better\n(if at all) it actually is!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I took the S&P 500 for as long as I could go back in history on Yahoo Finance<\/a>, which is 1928, and then broke down comparisons for if you were to buy and hold the S&P 500 for anywhere from 1 year to 10 years, in yearly increments.  Let\u2019s take a look at the results below!<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

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Alright, let\u2019s decipher what exactly we\u2019re looking at.  As you can see across the top, I broke it\ndown into the amount of years that you would hold onto the S&P 500 after\nbuying.  So, if you bought on 5\/1\/1928,\nwhich is as far as my data goes back, and then sold in 1 year, that means you\nsold on 5\/1\/1929.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

On average, if you were to buy 1 share of the S&P 500\nand then sell if 1 year later, 68.41% of the time you would be selling at a\nprice that was higher than you bought. \nThat percentage doesn\u2019t seem too bad, but likely not a risk that I would\nwant to take.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The worst year was a huge downturn of -70.13%…ouch!  The greatest return on the other hand was a\nmonstrous return of 146.28%, meaning if you paid $100, you now have $246.28!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

On average, the return that you would expect would be 7.52%, which really isn\u2019t too shabby! Using an average isn\u2019t always the best indicator to measure what the most realistic outcome actually is because it takes outliers into account, so I prefer to use the median.\u00a0 The median return is 8.94%!\u00a0 Now we\u2019re talking.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I also want to note that this doesn\u2019t include dividends, which is on average right around 2% now, so that\u2019s absolutely something to think of.  If you were to DRIP those dividends<\/a> then the returns would be that much higher, but that doesn\u2019t matter nearly as much in a short-term investing strategy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

As you expand the time horizon from 1 year on down the line,\nyou can see that the returns become much, much larger, which makes sense,\nright?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A lot of the major downturns in this data were caused during\nthe Great Depression, which while we can\u2019t throw out that data, it was so long\nago that it might not seem as relevant. \nI can see it both sides:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1 \u2013 one way is that I see it as being so long ago that if it\nhasn\u2019t happened more recently, is it really worth including in analysis?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

2 \u2013 the other way is that if you\u2019re trying to be\nconservative and invest with a margin of safety, emphasis on the safety as\nAndrew, Dave and myself all recommend that you do, then including these\ntimeframes is a good decision.  Worst\ncase is you plan for the worst, but you end up with much better returns.  More money? \nOh dang\u2026what a shame ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But don\u2019t worry, regardless of your stance, I also included some other data points as well, starting on 1\/1\/1950, 1\/1\/1975 and 1\/1\/2000, all shown below:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The main takeaway that I had from adding these additional\ntimeframes is simple \u2013 the shorter the timeframe, the riskier your investment,\nwhich again, makes sense.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

On average, you can expect some pretty good returns for just\na 1-year investment, but you can also experience some very, very low lows, but\nthey\u2019re not solely tied to just 1-year investment time periods.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The worst 1-year investment is down nearly 45%, which is\nbrutal, but the worst 10-year investment is down nearly 41% as well, so both\nare really, really tough.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

So, where do I land in the epic battle of long vs short,\nthen?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What’s Your Investment Philosophy?<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Well, it\u2019s simple \u2013 it all completely comes down to what\nyou\u2019re investing for and your investing philosophy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If you\u2019re investing for a down payment on a house and just\nwant to invest for 3-4 years, are you ok with losing 40% of that money?  If you are, then invest!  The gains could be incredible as long as\nyou\u2019re ok with the alternative.  If you\ninvested $25,000 for 4 years in the \u2018Since 1950 timeframe, your bookend would\nbe either ending up with $15,268.57 or massive gains resulting in a new total\nof $68,005.19.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Is the potential to make that really big return worth the\nrisk of losing nearly $10K?  If it is, do\nit.  If it\u2019s not, then don\u2019t.  It really comes down to that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

My synopsis for my own personal investing strategy is simple\n\u2013 there is nothing wrong with investing for the short-term as long as you\u2019re\nready to feel the burn!  If you can\u2019t\nstand the heat, get out of the kitchen!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Personally, I have three different investment accounts.  I have one account that is based solely on buying and holding for forever, one that is essentially the same thing but focused towards identifying future dividend aristocrats<\/a>, and then another that is more focused on short-term.  Not trading by any means, but more of a hands-on approach than my other portfolios.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

I do this for a few different reasons:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n